Article for context:https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870522/iphone-15-pro-max-thread-smartphones (Ik that I am talking about multiple companies when I refer to android companies but many singular companies make more innovations in the phone space compared to apple)
I’m surprised that this whole “android vs apple” thing is still going on…
At least it’s not Windows vs. Apple anymore
Wish it was. The Linux community shitting on Windows is worse.
why is that? it’s not punching down when its a billion dollar company
edit: no coherent thoughts then? just mindless downvoting? well you’ve convinced me with that persuasive logic.
it’s genuinely concerning to see the microsoft stockholm syndrome in the wild, but on lemmy it’s honestly baffling.
I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.
why is that? it’s not punching down when its a billion dollar company
I’ll bite, I down voted you because I think you’re missing the point of what the above commenters are talking about. It’s not about whether it’s punching down/up to criticize Microsoft.
It literally started with a question.
why is that?
As yet noone has even answered that question.
Why is it worse? You’ve gone to the trouble to downvote, and reply, yet still haven’t answered the question.
Tbh most partisan camp debates in technology are pretty tiresome: ios vs android, playstation vs xbox. They all have pros and cons.
(Even linux and windows both have their pros and cons.)
That said, there’s a huge difference between comparing two commercial products both from competing companies vs a powerful open source tool, with almost limitless potential. Virtually ANY complaint you have about linux CAN be fixed by the public, even YOU if you put in the appropriate effort/resources.
The fact that you can freely boot into modern hardware with something offering that kind of power & freedom openly to the public is frankly incredible.
So tbh it’s pretty difficult to see why it is worse.
You’ve answered the question yourself. It’s just tiresome. It’s so exhausting to see time and time again. It’s not like it makes it not tiresome just because it’s punching up to criticize Microsoft. It’s a subjective thing, clearly some people don’t think it is tiresome so they continue to gripe about it.
the problem is, that it keeps getting worse and more (in/per)vasive. when new items are added to the list, do you really expect its unreasonable that people are going to discuss the new & continued revelations?
You’re at +23 lol
40ups and 16downs
Tbh I’m a bit disappointed, the influx of new users is great. It’s great people are leaving closedsource places and enjoying free and opensource places like lemmy.
Its good seeing new faces and making new friends.
And I get they’ll inevitably bring some of that default “closed is better than open” mindset with them.
Its just disappointing when given the opportunity to learn a bit more about the world of open freedom, instead of considering maybe there might be something new they could learn and potentially enjoy.
Instead they try to drown us out with mindless and (mostly) unsubstantiated downvotes.
And it often turns out to be people who inevitably declare they don’t know how to use linux or couldn’t get it working properly.
So WHY is it when someone admits they don’t really understand the topic, do they think they’re the right person to vote on the legitimacy of the claims being made???
Why are yoy replying me
some is warranted, some is not, both sides have a copium dealer, mine is down the street from me.
Hey, we gotta poop somewhere!
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Our Metabolism is just very performant. Must be running Linux :D
“Nah bro, trust me, once I finally compile my Gentoo build it’s gonna be waaaaaaay better than Windows.”
cue immediate crashing of Gentoo client
What the fuck is a thread radio
There’s a new protocol for smart home devices called Matter, that let’s them work across ecosystems (so for example smart lights set up with Google Home could be controlled through Apple HomeKit via Matter). Thread is part of how Matter devices communicate with each other (instead of e.g. WiFi or Bluetooth). The new iPhones can directly use Thread instead of needing another devices to act as a bridge to “translate” the commands
A fairly niche addition, but definitely not useless. And a big plus for those into smart home stuff
I think it’s more useful than those glyphs on the nothing phone. They’re just a gimmick to sell a mediocre mid-end phone
Eh not really if you’re actually using mesh networked smart home devices that run on zigbee/thread/wave/matter or whatever you’re using some kind of controller with one of those radios in it. Using your phone as the only controller basically means you’d only be able to control/talk to those devices when your phone is on and at home, so forget any kind of automations if you’re not around. If you already have a controller, it’s most certainly networked so having a matter radio in your phone is basically pointless.
Yeah it is a wierd flex I’ve been trying to wrap my head around.
I’m kind of wondering if this move is just a data grab. Matter gives controllers a lot of insight into how smart products are used. Only iPhone in the house is for your teen so they don’t have that “dreaded” green text? As soon as you let them on your Matter network as a controller they now know when you turn your lights on and off, lock your doors, etc.
Thing is, this doesn’t (or at least shouldn’t) require a Thread radio. A controller on the phone can still get this info so long as one border router exists in the Thread PAN on the same network as the phone.
Everything is encrypted in Matter so you would have to be a controller to get any good data. With that, I doubt its just for passively farming packets over the air.
I guess it could be used to control devices remotely during a network outage if one person with an iPhone is home since its a local only protocol.
The radios are cheap enough that I guess they could be just throwing it in there without a great use case to generate buzz. Cost of radios is a drop in the bucket for most marketing budgets.
Head scratcher for sure.
Notably the homepod mini had thread radios and could act as a thread router as one of the earliest devices out there, might be that apple is going to push harder for this and has plans for it’s own thread enabled Smart Home products.
Huh. Did a little reading and it honestly does sound pretty useful. I’m not crazy about the corporate sponsorship of the consortium but there’s a lot of open source licensing to promote adoption so it’s not all bad. Neat. I could get behind doing a couple little custom home automation projects using that kind of network.
My dream phone is iPhone hardware with ability to run whatever OS you want like Raspberry Pi.
This is all I want. I’ll settle for an iPhone when apple fully complies with EU regulations. Once they officially allow third party app stores I’ll be interested, and at that point I wouldn’t know the difference between the two
I would still want Android phones experimenting with strange features and would honestly take a device I could modify to add on those features but then I guess it can be coded like an accessory
Why would I want a folding phone? I want my phone to be as rigid as possible.
Hiding the front cameras is the only real innovation I guess, but Oneplus managed it in 2019 with the 7 Pro so it’s not exactly a recent innovation.
Cause having a tablet in your pocket is awesome and comes in useful regularly
Being able to use your phone with multiple screen sizes and formats depending on what you’re doing.
Also: being able to put the phone at 90degs and use it as either a camera or flash light stand.
Folding phones would make sense if I could fold/unfold them twice and get 4x the space with same aspect ratio, transforming a phone into a tablet. Otherwise it’s just a gimmick and waste of money. I know some people might praise these for multi-tasking but I can’t see myself doing two things at the same time on a freakin’ phone (maybe except reading a book in foreign language and using a dictionary at the same time which is what I do often) and I would rather grab a laptop for that.
God I miss that phone so much. Was forced to upgrade when Sprint and T-Mobile merged. Been using a pixel since and it just isn’t the same.
I got a good deal on a Fold 4 and it’s been great. It’s literally a tablet in your pocket and with multi-window it’s about as capable as a PC for most tasks. Having such a large screen and 2-3 apps open at once is great whenever you’re trying to get anything done.
Before the Fold though, I also had the Oneplus 7 Pro and I think that phone still looks more modern than anything else I see out there today because of the uninterrupted notch-less display. If they didn’t give it up for a hole-punch on the 8 I would have probably stuck with them.
Let’s not give the Android manufacturers too much credit for innovation. My 6 year old LG V20 has more features than anything coming out these days.
Huawei’s new phones can make satellite calls and texts out of the box, much more innovative than the glyph gimmic from Nothing.
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oh yah when you put it like that, hidden underscreen cameras seems scary
Hidden as in you can’t see it, not hidden as in you don’t know it’s there. Everyone knows phones have front cameras. And if someone could get access to that, they could watch you just as easily through a not hidden front camera…
The obsession boring people have with thinking that someone is going to hack their webcam and record some sort of salacious content of them is astoundingly broad. To the point that very mundane people have web cam covers for their laptops or the little piece of post-it note taped over. Like people, no one gives enough of a shit about you that they will hack your camera and even if they did what are you doing that you care so much? If the answer is nothing then you are the last person that needs to worry about someone hacking a fucking webcam.
/rant
Why?
Folding phones are flimsy bits of plastic-screened crap that are just as expensive as two separate, better phone and tablet. And many apps barely work anyway.
Glyph interface is a pointless gimmick.
Under-screen cameras produce terrible images.
There are lots of reasons to hate Apple, but none of these are.
I mean I’m on my fold 5 right now while watching a YouTube video and responding to messages at the same time… doesn’t feel like a gimmack to me. In fact I kind of feel like it’s going to be hard to ever go back to a single form factor phone.
Tbh you can do that on a regular phone using a popup player on YouTube (I recommend NewPipe).
Now the true reason to be excited for fold phones is DS and 3DS emulation 🧐
Kind of, yeah. But the foldable gives a tablet experience that you just fold and put in your pocket. It’s epic.
Very true about 3DS…
Not to mention my wife’s flip cost less than my s23 uktra, and probably less than the s23 plus. It needs a new screen protector, but its held up against open and closed drops, including on concrete
The Flips also have a worse display, camera system, build quality, battery life, and just everything than either of those alternate Samsung phones.
Sure, Jan.
I didn’t say folding phones are a gimmick, I said they’re fragile and bad value propositions.
Seems everyone who has one thinks they’re a pretty solid value proposition. You might just be looking at it throb contrarian tinted lenses.
These weren’t presented as reasons to hate Apple.
Why the f would I want an unblockable front camera though, I hate that idea
It’s “hidden” behind the screen, meaning there’s to hole or cutout in the screen for the front camera. It’s not perfect and you can still see where the camera is.
Iphone does have some cool, closed garden things, eg, airtags.
Yes. Android has alternatives, none of which are nearly as good as airtags.
Tile was around for years before “airtags”
Yes, but tile doesnt work on the mesh network of iPhones everywhere. If I lose my wallet on the bus, I can find that bus or the person who stole my wallet thanks to other people owning Apple phones reporting it to mine over the internet.
Tile has a mesh network, it just isn’t as big as Apples. It also isn’t enabled by default: you have to mark your tile as “lost” – which sidesteps the stalking issues airtags have.
Android literally came out with a universal air tag system. Works the same as air tags, but you can go with any brand you want.
Plus the fact there’s more Android devices out there, it’s more useful.
And they backported the tracking feature in Google services, so old devices that don’t get updates anymore will be able to use the new system.
Small iterative improvements vs big “innovation” failures?
All of the features mentioned above have had a minimum of two iterations (nothing phone 2 has a new glyph) and numerous internal test samples.
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There are no ads in iphone apps? Battery life is not much different in my experience It’s similar, but you can mitigate that on Android, not so much on iphone.
You think apple doesn’t track how often you blink? They just don’t tell you they do, because they don’t have to tell you.
Ignorance is bliss here.
Only android phone with tensor is Google pixel. There is much more to android than that. I still get 9-10 hours screen on time, off of one charge on a three year old android device with a 120hz screen. Apple definitely tracks you and free apps definitely have ads. On Android, private DNS allows you to essentially block ads system wide. And Android has advantages such as pop up and multi window apps for multitasking, I’ve been using that for 10 years now, since the galaxy S4. Apple still does not have this feature on the iPhone, only the iPad.
The advantages of an iPhone are the cohesive software experience with top class hardware and a premium feel, with top class video quality. In that they are alone at the top.
