Let’s do a little experiment:
- Tankies are horrible
- Nazi’s are horrible
- The US is horrible
- Russia is horrible
- China is horrible
The fun is if you had made some point about something china or Russia related and HADN’T also mentioned that the US is horrible, you’d get dogpiled.
The US is horrible, leave me alone
You shat on homeless people and got rightfully called out for it. Take the L instead of crying about tankies
You complained about homeless people you weasely little liar. Go cry about it on /pol/ or go back to reddit
homeless people are tankies actually
it looks like the only comments of yours that were removed were for making inflammatory comments about homeless people on public transport in a place you don’t live.
Dude I was speaking from experience in that post. I live there and took the train daily. Do I need to show you my LA Metro card to prove it?
If this was reddit I would say that post belongs on r/confidentialityincorrect
Post your credit card number and DLN while you’re at it.
So a mod didn’t like a comment you made which was interpreted as encouraging anti-homeless hate. Instead of just moving on you decided to make this about “tankies” despite no one saying anything about Marxist ideology, China, or anything related. I think you’re just looking to pick a fight with us because we’re dirty pinko commies or something.
That was probably a more level headed way to deal with this person than the way too generous effort post I just commented lol
stay classy, hexbear
stay classist,
I love that y’all use that as an insult. It only carries any weight in your own echo chamber, you know that right? No where else on the planet (be it a forum or a physical space) does that mean anything. Well, maybe within north korea
maybe within north korea
Don’t worry, absolutely no one there is thinking about internet liberals, the DPRK lives rent-free in your head though
Lol yeah they’re thinking about the coming winter, or the reality that they aren’t even allowed to leave their country (for all but the most privileged) unfortunately
they aren’t even allowed to leave their country
This is true, do you know who keeps them inside though? The United Nations’ Security Council.
[…] the Security Council today further tightened sanctions on the country, severely restricting fuel imports and other trade, as well as the ability of its citizens to work abroad.
So when they cross the dmz are they loaded in a catapult and sent back?
By being ‘slightly critical’ you do mean complaining about homeless people, right?
By “being slightly critical” they mean even slightly implying that China is not in every way a completely perfect utopian paradise incapable of doing wrong.
I’m from hexbear, people are critical of it all the time on hexbear. You just can’t criticize China and not know the people there are far better off than those in the US
You cannot acknowledge anything even slightly negative that China has ever done without being jumped all over
Mao killing the sparrows during the four pests campaign was bad. The cultural revolution produced excesses that didn’t need to happen if it was handled better.
Oh look nobody on hexbear is going to hate on this comment.
Modern day China is both capitalist and emperialist and has a disregard for basic human rights. It is not in any way shape or form a communist state. Oh, and it actively tries to censor and erase the fact that it ran down its own citizens with tanks.
How is China imperialist? The other stuff you’re saying us wrong too, but i know the propaganda you will point to to get there. But imperialist? You mean Belt and Road? Building hospitals in Africa?
Oh, and it actively tries to censor and erase the fact that it ran down its own citizens with tanks.
Are you saying that China doesn’t censor or try to hide this? Can I just go to Tienanmen square and start talking to locals about what happened there and they’ll openly talk about how awful it was?
Let’s start with Tibet.
Why are the libs so hung up on criticizing socialists? If you don’t like this forum then go back to reddit.
I’m a socialist but not a tankie. Criticizing tankies!= criticizing socialists
Being an anti-communist leftist still makes you an anti-communist
Being anti-tankie does not make you anti-communist.
what the fuck do words even mean anymore, read marx jesus christ
Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism (as well the ideologies that derived from it such as Maoism). But there are communist ideologies that don’t derive from ML such as Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.
Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism
no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.
Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.
Oh cool, which societies use those?
no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.
Why are you letting libs define everything? You and I both know they’re dumbasses and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Oh cool, which societies use those?
Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.
Fuck tankies, get money
fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, get money
Fuck tankies, abolish money (and the state and the class society when we are already on it)
Go back to your Fox News
Bruh what part of that made you think they watch Faux News?
Oh, lemmygrad. Away, tankie
Do you support the US sending cluster bombs, rockets and tanks to Ukraine?
Sure do. Ukraine can certainly make far better use of them defending their homes, than the US ever did using them for anything.
If Russia didn’t want Ukraine using cluster bombs, rockets, and tanks, they shouldn’t have used them first. Fight fire with fire.
Okay tankie
A nazi-loving one too, how neat
If Ukraine didn’t want Russia using cluster bombs, rockets, and tanks, they shouldn’t have tried to do a genocide in the Donbas
Slava Ukraini and kill the bear. Ready to set condition 1SQ for strategic nuclear launch. Hooyah America. Come and get some.
fuck tankies
abolish class society
You mean your bullshit screed hating on public rail and showing your anti-homeless brainworms where you literally implied that “people don’t hate them enough”?
Also “boo hoo the ‘tankies’ (whatever that even means to you libs anymore) bullied me for supporting violence against some of the most vulnerable people in the imperial core”
lmao You have been complaining about this for FIVE DAYS holy shit.
I love public rail and took it all over the place when I visited Japan, I even still have the JR Pass ticket in my wallet. If I had one public transportation wish for LA it’s that every freeway have a light rail line like in the 105. As for the homeless situation I am all in for fully funded housing first initiatives and think we haven’t done anywhere near enough for them. That said, the unfortunate state of events between the LA Metro and the city’s homeless allows for some very problematic things to happen in light rail train cars especially during transit. I’ve seen quite a bit of drug use, littering, and even an instance when I had a taser brandished at my face only to find out a second later the guy was trying to sell it to me. I really wish people wouldn’t react so quickly to a post and start accusing them of being some kind of monster.
“they certainly don’t hate them enough to chase them away when they are smoking meth on the train” sounds kinda like you think that should be done and that the issue is people not hating the unhoused enough.
Especially when you come into a space that explicitly advocates for abolishing landlords and start saying that stuff, you should expect ridicule. Instead of complaining about it in other spaces for 5 days and repeatedly doubling down you could just do some very basic self-crit.
So whats your plan other then just let them smoke meth and steal from people obviously something needs to be done but putting your head in the sand and pretending there isn’t actually a problem won’t fix anything
A socialist state where housing is a guarantee and where poverty doesn’t lead to widespread drug use because it doesn’t exist. Also addiction recovery programs in the transitional state.
Why. What is yours, push them into a comically large blender? Or a prison, how about a prison?
Sure where people have wings and cancer doesn’t exist yes the communist state is so great you choose to live in the west
Bruh do you have any idea how quickly I and so many other people here would pack our bags and move to China if we had the chance
It’s amazing the number of tankies and overall left-nuts I’ve found on here. Figures considering the kind of people that frequent FOSS spaces
You’re using a platform built by communists, no surprise there are leftists here.
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reddit will delete this comment cuz they’re controlled by China but fuck the CCP!!!
same energy
Great username
What Trueanon episode do I need to listen to to understand this reference?
lemmy devs are actually pretty good at not forcing their ideology on others
It is way easier to get banned on reddit for a lot less than a slight not conformist opinion. Here they downvote you, stop. And i talk about real controversies.
What is tankie?
I’m gonna try and give an actual brief history. The word “Tankie” originated from a split in the Communist party of Great Britain in the 1950s, over the Soviet invasion of Hungary. Those who supported the invasion were called “Tankies” by those who opposed it.
That would’ve been it, and it would have faded into history as an obscure piece of British leftist slang, if it weren’t for the word’s rediscovery decades later, where more modern leftists used the term in a half joking way among each other.
At some point over… Really just the past couple of years or so, tankie breached containment, and has been worming its way into non-leftist people’s vocabularies, where it’s lost any and all connection to its original meaning.
So when, say, OP of this thread uses it, it’s unclear what they mean. Do they mean communists in general? Leftists in general? Supporters of China? What does it mean for a white, Western, leftist to ‘support’ China anyway? Is it just a general term for someone they deem Authoritarian? Or do they mean a specific kind of “Patriotic Socialist” who LARPs as a communist but actually holds deeply reactionary ideas?
It’s all very unclear. So I wouldn’t take “Tankie discourse” too seriously tbh. It’s just a thought terminating cliche at this point. If you want to talk about any of those groups mentioned above… Just be specific and dunk on who you want to dunk on. There’s legitimate, good faith, critiques to be made of all of them. Just make them, and be thoughtful about it.
But running around and calling anyone you don’t like a Tankie doesn’t foster good discussion. Especially when I have to sit down and decipher which one of 6 different possible definitions of “Tankie” someone might be referring to.
:dracula: Just anyone that is to the left of you on foreign policy.
What is a Tankie?
:abbie-cocktail:
A miserable little pile of secrets.
But enough talk …
Have at you!
:xi-reactionary-spotted:
It’s the liberal equivalent of “woke”
A welder who works on metal storage vessels, sometimes called tanks.
Those who support authoritative regime. I think it’s the new commies. Tend to be used on those who are sympathetic to Russia and China.
No, I am a tankie but I don’t support any authoritarian regime. I don’t support America or the EU for example. I like Cuba. They have laws mandating queer rights, women’s right, health care, strong democratic participation.
How do you identify as a tankie?
I only see the word used on other people, but never see some one use it on themselves
Around here it is pretty common. Easily. Most of the people who actually ever worked to improve society have been labeled tankies so it is a badge of honor.
What if I am fully sympathetic towards China out of those two?
I am sympathetic towards Russian fear of nato expansion but believe Vlad bungled so fucking bad he made things worse then ever at breakneck speeds.
Am I a tankie.
Theoriticaly yes. I mean ignoring the russian thing completely. China still has some serious large scale privacy and human rights violations. Alghtough arguably as with ‘woke’ in reality tankie is a meaningless term used to divide pepole between us and them instead of actually just discussing the actual issues.
And what are you doing with privacy? We have none here in the US and our lives are not really any worse for it is there? If anything the only time we see any privacy rights is when some one wants to hide how they are hurting us. Corrupt politicians and the like.
There is definietly more privacy than in china( Not that the issue doesnt exist in Us ,Europe or the rest of the world,but its not as bad ,you can get vpns or messaging apps that will tell the goverment to f* off or simply beacuse they dont collect any relevant data like signal ). Also you still left out massive human rights violations, arguably much more important thing .
Something like half of Chinese people use a VPN and the state censoring western sites Facebook and Twitter is a good thing
What rights? To my knowledge all of those claims are made up by our state department to cover our genocide in the middle east and our funding and training far right extremeists.
Yes there’s no privacy in the US, and the US has numerous human rights violations, but China is obvioudly worse cus no freedom, inscrutable asiatics, tank man. Checkmate tankie
Russia is as not a communist state. No one on the left is supporting Puttin lead Russia.
Ambivalent KPRF noises
Tankie is just a slur for people who aren’t ideological and financially compromised by the United Treats of America.
I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.
I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.
Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.
“No Lives Matter” type beat
Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.
Least of all quietism like you display
Little do people know everyone is shit
People who say this think they’re being world-wise when they’re actually just putting out a general warning about themselves
Doomerism be like:
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